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Old 06-08-2011, 01:04 AM   #1
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Question Alder cones don't lower pH for me.





After reading about people who use alder cones to lower their pH I decided to check how that work.
So, Iíve got an alder cone, placed into a plastic container with tap water. Then I waited for a week and test pH in there.

Ph is 7.6, this is what I usually have from a tap.




The question is what I did wrong? Should I wait more, or boil them before.
Is it important what time of year I collect them?
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You are using tap water, what do you expect?
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You are using tap water, what do you expect?
lol, an almond leaf would lower the pH of tap water. So would soil in tap water.
I don't think that was a mistake of his...
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I've tried almond and oak leaves in tap water, it takes about a week (for me anyway) to see any change in pH.
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Hi Igor,

two things might give you another result:

1. Rinse the alder cones with boiling water - it will give you kind of extract and water will get brownish.

2. Use higher quantity of alder cones.

Besides, as this is a natural product, you may have quality differences.

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Igor, most people use Alder cones for medicimal purposes, as they help stave off some bacterial problems. I use them for this purpose, but not to lower the PH. I also use IAL or Blackwater extract for the same purpose, but these do lower PH over a period of time, but not an immediate thing.

I am now using the Netlea and ADA soil with my tap water and PH seems to be staying below the 7 mark which makes me happy, and my shrimps are getting berried (CRS/CBS/SSSS) so obviously its a better soil for us with high PH in tap water.
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Doesn't all wood matter lower ph??

Is peat moss still in?
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Tap water has a lot of buffering capacity so it will resist a change in pH. It is important to understand the buffering if you want to play water chemist. If you take a sample of alkaline water and add acid slowly, you will have no change of pH until the buffer is consumed. At that point a very small amount of acid will have a significant affect on pH.

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Igor, most people use Alder cones for medicimal purposes, as they help stave off some bacterial problems.
Can Alder cones be replaced by almond leaves or do they have additional benefits?
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It could be as to when the alder cones were collected and how. Were they picked in late October or November just after they had been touched by frost and had dried and opened to release the seeds? If they were picked up off the ground or picked this spring then they were all leached out. One alder cone should drop the ph in a litre of water to about 6 over night even in tap water and turn it a dark amber. Yes the ph will not stay down in tap water as it contains a buffer.
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