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Well I tried to put the contest back together but needed the go ahead to add new sponsors to the website so we could get more prizing but it seems that VS isn't really in the mood to do this.

Again, sorry for wasting everyone's time and it is unfortunate that I couldn't make this contest happen again but it seems there are just too many road blocks now with the new ownership.

To the sponsors that already said they would be donating prizing I thank you but it isn't needed anymore. I will be contacting you individually to discuss this further.
 

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... it seems there are just too many road blocks now with the new ownership.
I thought the change of ownership was supposed to be 'non-invasive'? Didn't I read some reassurance in a thread here that said there would be no negative implications for the members, and that it would only 'enhance the user experience'? What went wrong? Please share, Alt.

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Nothing to share really...

I asked if we could put in some new sponsors and had a response of "Lemme get on getting an answer on how we can make this work moving forward."

Then after a week I gave a deadline of today and still hadn't heard anything on where we stand with adding new sponsors so unfortunately if VS doesn't want to move forward with this then I can't do anything :(

Again sorry guys!
 

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Nothing to share really...

I asked if we could put in some new sponsors and had a response of "Lemme get on getting an answer on how we can make this work moving forward."

Then after a week I gave a deadline of today and still hadn't heard anything on where we stand with adding new sponsors so unfortunately if VS doesn't want to move forward with this then I can't do anything :(

Again sorry guys!
I never once said that we are not interested, this deadline was imposed by you. If you personally do not want to host contests on here unless they are on your terms it makes it not easy for me to help work with you. The contest you had originally set up was prematurely ended by you. When I reached out to you to offer event and contest support you declined and wanted nothing to do with us. I have had little correspondence with you directly.
 

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You work for a corporation that relies on revenue. You reached out to offer support for the contest and I accepted by asking for more sponsors. A deadline is what all of us have in any company we work for. It wasn't myself who failed to correspond with your sales department, instead you tell me today that your sales VP was on vacation for a week. You could have said that a week ago when I asked but for some reason failed to do so.

It boggles my mind still that you wouldn't want to generate revenue for your company. I understand you probably won't tell you sales department this, since they just loss 4 potentially new sponsors but in the future if you would like to keep the members happy I would suggest meeting them halfway.

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Also, I never said you weren't interested. What I said was that VS wasn't in the mood.
 

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Not sure where Philip/VS_admin is located, but maybe it would be possible to meet at a Tim's or something and talk this out like real people? A lot is lost over email/ BBS/ PM communication, like emotion, nuance, and sarcasm...

What I'm saying is that I'm sure we can find some middle ground????
 

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You work for a corporation that relies on revenue. You reached out to offer support for the contest and I accepted by asking for more sponsors. A deadline is what all of us have in any company we work for. It wasn't myself who failed to correspond with your sales department, instead you tell me today that your sales VP was on vacation for a week. You could have said that a week ago when I asked but for some reason failed to do so.

It boggles my mind still that you wouldn't want to generate revenue for your company. I understand you probably won't tell you sales department this, since they just loss 4 potentially new sponsors but in the future if you would like to keep the members happy I would suggest meeting them halfway.

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Also, I never said you weren't interested. What I said was that VS wasn't in the mood.
This is your interpretation of if we are in the mood or not. Sales is fully aware.
 

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peace offering

I think we are in need of a Geneiva conferance.....
 

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Why does the new owner need to be involved. Is there something from stopping me for running a contest? Can I do it here, or do I just put a link to somewhere off the forum.
Generally, yes you can. However, I think it has to do with sponsorship to fund the prizes for the contests. Sponsors usually have a 'tie-in' with the forum or group where they are funding the prize. After all, they are giving something of value for little more than goodwill in return. Gets complicated when the forum is a business instead of a hobby, as there is more than one person involved in the decision process, so 'yes/no' decisions are not 'off the cuff' but can instead get mired in red tape, especially when the business at hand is not the prime focus.

Again, I am merely speaking generally, as I am not privy to this particular case, other than what I read here.

We went from independent ownership to corporate ownership, so there's a wee bit o' gap between expectations and delivery on both sides. Both sides have different experiences they bring to the table, and what may seem reasonable to one side, can be totally unacceptable to the other.

Hopefully, we can find a happy medium somewhere (and soon please), as this is one of the few forums I have come across where there is a genuine sense of community left, and the members don't just go to peruse what's in the buy/sell section. We would all hate to see this community fractured, but having said that, any forum is only as good as its members, so the real value is not this site, but the people who make this site what it is.

Anyone can create a site, and this community is close knit enough that it could generate a mass exodus, leaving behind an empty shell and depreciating drastically the value of this site. I think then, keeping that in focus, the added onus is on the ownership to ensure things 'go on as before', or as close as can reasonably be.

Again, this is my personal view, based on my considerable tenure in business and e-commerce. I am in no way promoting an exodus to another site. I am merely saying that that is one of the possible outcomes, which is why in business, we say 'the customer is always right', for, without the customer, its just brick and stones..and in the case of a virtual store, not even that.

Just my $0.02

Al.
 

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Well let's try this... I just cleared my PM box. 10th person to send me a photo of your saltwater tank will win a $20 gift certificate that can be used for anything* at Bean Bag Frags including shipping.

*cannot be used towards ecotech products.
 

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Well let's try this... I just cleared my PM box. 10th person to send me a photo of your saltwater tank will win a $20 gift certificate that can be used for anything* at Bean Bag Frags including shipping.

*cannot be used towards ecotech products.
Sweet!

I ain't a saltie, but thats a great gesture.

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Well well well, if freshwater people want in, all you gotta do is ask ;)

If the 10th photo sent to me is a freshwater tank, instead of a $20 gift certificate you will get a container of new era food (smallest size) of your choice free! ($15 value). If you want free shipping I will open container , put in a ziploc, then envelope and snail mail it to you ;)

GO!
 
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